The T34 had greater numbers, but it was easier to build compared to the KV series. They were also very simple to operate. Which in a huge army of relatively uneducated soldiers, was necessary.
Even so, without the KV, there wouldn't have been the series of assault guns they created. Might be a possibility (I have to research it further) that without it there wouldn't have been the Joseph Stalin series of tanks.
Of course, you're completely right, but I meant that the T-34 was quite weak in early stages of development, especially when compared to German armour (even in 1942/3). Although it was very well designed and it's sloped armour was better than in the slab-shaped panzers, it had problems with engine, traction and transmission, also despite having a Christie-type suspension and wide tracks it had rather mediocre cross-country ability - T's often just sank in deep mud, as panzers did. These disadvantages were soon overcome by mass production, but T-34's of reasonable quality started to appear around 1943/44, and the perfect T-34/85 was built a few years after the war.
KV's were totally different tanks with another type of suspension, although they also weren't perfect (what is usual with Russian stuff), not to mention the ill-fated idea of KV-2.
Well compared to the most powerful Panzers that the Germans had, a Pz. IV with short barreled 75mm, the T34 had better cross country capability. Didn't sink nearly as much or as badly. You make anything muddy enough, and any vehicle will get stuck.
And the T34/85 actually showed up during the war. The KV1 was also being looked at to get the 85mm gun, but then they'd have two vehicles that were almost the same. One just had slightly heavier armor and a different suspension.
Personally I think the KV looks better.
In defense of the KV-2, that turret was impervious to just about all other German rounds. Bit sucky on the profile though lol.
Well yes, the T-34 was slightly better in 1941, but still it wasn't as perfect as it is said And I know that the T-34/85 appeared during the war but I meant it still retained many drawbacks of its predecessors and that they were eliminated not earilier than a few years after the war. Then the 'mythic' super-T-34 was finally produced
There was a KV-85 with a 85mm gun which appeared in 1943, along with the SU-85 and still before the introduction of 85mm version of T-34 If we talk about the shape then, well... Both the T-34 and KV are my favourites, the first because it makes me think of speed and agility, the second because it brings along a sense of power
Of course, KV-2's defense abilities were great, but it still was a dead end in tank design... With a too large turret and such a great weight it would be useless during spring and autumn. And it's quite funny in some video games when you see a squadron of KV-2's charging at full speed through a boggy terrain
I dunno, from my understanding the 34/85 didn't change too much after the war, if at all, simply because they moved on to the Stalin series, and then the T54/55 after that. I'll admit I don't know the full development history between those periods as well as I'd like though.
The KV-85 didn't last very long, simply because it didn't make sense to have two vehicles with the same gun type for very little gain. They did experiment with giving the KV a much larger main gun, but they scrapped that idea too. Gotta hand it to the Russians. They didn't build several variants of the same thing like the Germans did. They had their priorities straight.
I agree with the KV-2 being a dead end in tank design. For it's time it was impressive, if ultimately a waste of resources. Kinda like the 5 turreted tank they had (which they weren't the only one who played with that idea in the 20's and 30's lol).
Which game are you referring to that had the squadron of KV-2s charging over boggy terrain? I find myself curious now. Even in Panzer General (so fun) they were slower than other tanks.
Before the Russians got fully equipped with T-54s (the T-44 was produced in little numbers) they had to keep their medium tanks in service, thus they systematically modernised their T-34/85s and used them throughout the 50s.
The multi-turreted tanks were very interesting, as well as they were just useless. However, the measurements of T-35, for example, were quite fearsome...
You can find the charginf KV-2s in Blitzkrieg and its second installment for example... Of course, they are dumb rts games ,but many mods improve them greatly, especially the first Blitz. KV-2s are only experimental units here, but in the map editor you can put as many as you want
PS. You sent me a note some time ago which I replied to (about drawing some ships). Is it still important?
No no, to czekam Burżujka jak burżujka, raczej szczęściara i pechowiec zarazem: rodziciel chciał wypróbować kartę kredytową Pech w tym, że uznał że za dużo go ona kosztuje i już z niej zrezygnował, więc czas mojej subskrypcji nieubłaganie zbliża się ku końcowi Szkoda, cholernie wygodnie się wszystko przegląda